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    Poll Question: Who took it to the limits the best?
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        Posted: May 07 2020 at 06:13
    Which of the big ones took prog to the outer limits?
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    I do not know. 
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    My nomination would probably be King Crimson - Industry. I like all the choices actually, although some are in quite some distance from the "limits" in my view, particularly ELP and Yes, although Sound Chaser is one of their best. The Waiting Room works very well but rather follows Pink Floyd than extending the borders itself. The King Crimson one is not as out there as some others they have done (Moonchild anyone?), but I like that this was included because it wasn't really on my radar and actually it's very good. It's a very difficult choice... Saucerful of Secrets it'll be. I think it just was most influential of these reaching and extending the limits. Personally I was hugely impressed when I heard it for the first time, although these days I find a good number of PF tracks that I like more, and just tastewise I'm really not sure which one I'd rate highest, all but Toccata (which seems most disjointed to me, although it's not bad either) would be contenders.


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    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 07:37
    I'd probably go for Soundchaser but the live version of Toccata is pretty awesome.
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    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 08:36
    Both Yes and King Crimson often expanded beyond the limits pushing the scope wider and wider, but out of these tracks listed above, I would vote for Sound Chaser, even though KC's projekt years and Thrak pushed it even farther then ever..

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    Sound Chaser is my favorite Yes song probably. 
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    King Cirmson, no doubt.
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    My favorite is ASOS
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    It really doesn't get any more "outer limits" than Saucerful of Secrets

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    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 13:41
    ^ a favorite to pick out of these is pretty easy, it's who took it to the limit, which took prog to the outer limits, in the twilight zone or whatever. That I don't know. 
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    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 14:59
    Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

    ^ a favorite to pick out of these is pretty easy, it's who took it to the limit, which took prog to the outer limits, in the twilight zone or whatever. That I don't know. 


    Nobody did what Floyd did in 1967 whereas by the time Yes came out with Soundchaser that sort of complex prog was fairly common.

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    Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

    Sound Chaser is my favorite Yes song probably. 

    Me too, together with Heart of the Sunrise.
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    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 17:24
    Pink Floyd's "A [Flying] Saucerful of Secrets" took it to the outer limits the best for me.

    Here is Pink Floyd at the UFO Club with "Interstellar Overdrive" as that sounds like taking it to the outer limits to me.





    Edited by Logan - May 07 2020 at 17:34
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    Toccata

    The live version is pretty brilliant as mentioned. Carl Palmer is doing a heck of a lot on that track , so much that Keith Emerson had to walk off the stage during live performances as the audience would otherwise have assumed that he was making the sounds. 

    Palmer demonstrated some of the track on an episode of Blue Peter.











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    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2020 at 02:39
    If this is about pushing prog to the limits, the appropriate order should be imho:

    Floyd > ELP > Yes > Crimso > Genesis
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    Toccata for me, especially the live version. The fury and power on this track are amazing
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    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2020 at 15:38
    I feel i could write 2 to 3 page article/essay about these 5 songs and their attempt at experimwntation. About youth and the will to move borders in terms of appealing to taste.
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    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2020 at 15:50
    Anyway, I think that none of the above is a real experimental musical piece... perhaps A saucerful of secrets...
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    A saucerful of secrets +1
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